Talk:Snapback

Controversy
It should probably be noted that not everyone thinks "Cupcakes" is badfic, even among PPCers. I haven't actually read it myself, but I've seen the conversation come up enough times to know that some folks like it. ~Neshomeh 18:13, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm going to have to disagree on this, Neshomeh. We are not infallible, and those who are in the fandom itself know of it, and have decided it is bad. Saying it is not bad because we personally disagree when we are not in the fandom is ridiculous; it is largely comparable to C*l*br**n, as I pointed out to VM before. You cannot say that C*l*br**n is indubitably a badfic and that Cupcakes is not; the content and context is the same to the relevant fandoms. People in the fandom know of it, making it legendary. People in the fandom think it is bad. That therefore makes it a Legendary Badfic.


 * Of course, we could review the Legendary Badfic category and remove things like Draco's Christmas Cuppa and Celebrian, since as you've said, even among PPCers there are people who think an item isn't bad. And if we're using that to judge, then we should hold everything on the Badfic page to the same standards. After all, there are plenty of non-LotR people now whose opinion on some of those 'Legendaries' would no doubt be different. -posted by JulyFlame at 18:23, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't say it shouldn't be in the category, and I wasn't aware there were people who've said they actually like "Celebrian," etc., like people have said they like "Cupcakes." I've never seen an argument over whether "Celebrian" is bad, but I've seen more than one about "Cupcakes." My impression has been that there is a strong divide over this one&mdash;not just people who hate it and people who are "eh" about it, but also people who think it's good for its genre. For that reason, I thought a mention should be made in this instance. ~Neshomeh 18:40, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies for the undue assumptions, in that case. And I have seen people say they liked "Celebrian" and Draco's Christmas Cuppa and other similar fic. I think there's a strong divide on the subject now because people are reluctant to declare anything a Legendary Badfic these days. -posted by JulyFlame at 18:56, October 8, 2011 (UTC)