User talk:Neshomeh

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General Comments
Nesh is my PPC Role Model. I want to be just like her when I grow up.

Keep writing missions, please. You're awesome.

AnnaBee 98.202.242.120

Been cracking up quite a lot lately over your stories! Thank you! Bausiren (talk) 22:03, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just gonna scooch these up into this new section here... and say thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying them. ^_^


 * ~Neshomeh 22:14, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

"What Friends Will Do"
I just read Ilraen and Supernumerary's adventure in the Young Wizards' continuum. Thank you, from the depths of my heart for killing that thing. AGlass 07:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It was my pleasure, and you're welcome. {= ) Neshomeh 06:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

"The Dark Side"
I would comment on the board, but I really don't want to have to find the right post again, and it might even have dropped off the first page (I had a lot of missions open, and don't quite know where they all came from). Anyway, the agents tell Voltarmi that "the corridors weren't designed with dragons in mind, and the bosses aren't likely to be very understanding of anything that looks like a walking flamethrower." I would like to point out that the DoI has an (admittedly old) dragon agent&mdash;Verra Rose. She presumably has a human form, like Voltarmi's gnome, but I doubt she would remain like that the entire time. Sorry!  Goldenrod 111  06:56, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. If you think we made a mistake, could you please explain how we could do it better? Otherwise, I'm just confused. There are plenty of reasons for Nume to have said that--general jerkassery being one; not knowing about Verra being another; knowing about Verra, knowing she had a humanoid form, and knowing also that the Flowers aren't fond of being faced with things that can produce fire being a logical alternative to the second. So... what? O.o ~Neshomeh 16:46, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Not a comment on dragons, but this is a comment on the mission, which I've finally got around to reading. Not much to say, really, other than that I found it hilarious, love Nume's pop culture quotes, and want to hug Ilraen for being so adorably clueless.Cassie5squared 06:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you! I really appreciate your taking the time to comment. {= D Ilraen is doing his best, but although he's come a long way, he still has a way to go. He appreciates the sympathy. ~Neshomeh 17:31, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Editing Questions
Heyo! So, my image posting request was because I wanted to post that tektek image of me under my profile picture, but my phone can't do that. Help, plz? --SpecstacularSC

BBC Sherlock
Hello! I'm just wondering - is it okay for me to make a separate page for the BBC Sherlock canon considering how unwieldy it is to link to the ACD!Sherlock page for my agents who work in the BBC!verse...? Lily Winterwood (talk) 03:28, October 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi! Given the current size of the Sherlock Holmes page, I'd say that makes sense. Call it "Sherlock (BBC)", probably, or maybe "Sherlock (TV series)" like it is on Wikipedia? ~Neshomeh 03:41, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Agent Pages
I would prefer that you not make major changes to the content of my agent pages. I have the story logs set up in the way that's most convenient for me to keep track of things I write. Thank you! —Doctorlit (talk) 18:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * In that case, would you please follow the formatting standards on your own speed? It's more convenient for everyone if the same types of information appear in the same way across the board, which is part of what I'm trying to accomplish. Or, if the current setup is hard to follow for you, could you tell me what about it causes you difficulty? ~Neshomeh 19:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * A lot of agent pages basically have the same info and story links in both the "timeline" and "mission logs." To avoid repeating the same info twice on a single page, and to prevent the page from growing longer than it strictly needs to be, I'm only using the timeline for really major sweeping events in my agents' lives, and leaving individual written works in the story logs area. Because of this, I also want to keep the stories section in chronological order, rather than grouping missions with individual agents together and keeping interlude stuff separate.


 * I don't think this setup is so drastically different from the wiki standard that it would cause anyone confusion. —Doctorlit (talk) 19:36, October 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * What you've described is actually not different at all, which is why your objection confuses me. I haven't messed with the content of your timelines, and I haven't altered the order of information in the Missions sections, just how they're labeled. Calling it "Mission Logs (or Reports)" instead of "Story Logs" just makes it the same as everywhere else, and adding in a "Partnered with" header actually serves to decrease the repetition of information as soon as you get multiple missions, since you don't have to say "with [Partner's Name]" on every mission description. (Also, it comes in VERY handy when you get someone like Agent Tawaki, who had several different official partners over the course of his career.) I didn't separate any interludes from missions, either&mdash;in fact, on several pages, I've integrated them. We agree that chronological order is a good thing! ~Neshomeh


 * Well, using "partnered with" headers throws things out of whack if I, say, partnered Doc with Luxury and not Vania for one mission, then went back to the standard Doc-and-Vanias. (I wouldn't do this, because Doc would not survive emotionally.) The Doc-and-Lux would have to go down under a separate header, despite occuring chronologically between Doc-and-Vania #5 and Doc-and-Vania #6, for example.


 * I will concede on the "mission reports" point, but I think I'm going to leave my mission reports section without sub-headers . . . Rats, I can't make real dashes on this computer. --Doctorlit (talk) 05:21, October 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not so, in fact&mdash;not unless Doc was officially, move-into-the-same-RC partnered with Lux and then officially, move-all-your-stuff-again re-partnered with Vania (which would be pretty silly!). Also, even if that happened, it wouldn't go out of chronological order; you'd just have another new heading for "Re-partnered with Vania." I can't find a real example of this, though&mdash;I think I actually fixed Jay's page to get rid of "re-partnered" headers, since she wasn't officially given a new partner until Acacia left, never to return. Her one-mission stint with Agent Dead was just that.


 * Seriously, take a look at some of the other pages, like Tawaki's or Dafydd's or Trojie's. All of their Missions sections are in chronological order, even the ones with multiple headers. Trojie's page even includes aspects of a timeline in the missions listing. They also show that people go on missions with agents other than their official partner a LOT, and it doesn't warrant a change in header. Heck, Dafydd goes on almost as many missions without Selene as he does with her. Those missions just get a tag of "Dafydd with Agent [Y] ([Y's Department])" to denote that the regular partner (Selene in this example) isn't involved. If they are, the tag is just "with Agent [Y] ([Y's Department])."


 * Some of them do have "Other Appearances" sections. Those are for cameos and things outside the regular spin-off that can't be easily slotted in for one reason or another&mdash;someone else wrote them, or they don't fall in the official timeline, or even if they do it's so vague as to make accurate placement impossible.


 * There isn't really a standard for what to do with cameos and such, though. For myself, I put stuff like that in my Timelines and reserve Mission Reports for the main spin-off; sometimes the timeline is combined with Missions, like on Trojie's page; sometimes they just have to be put in Other Appearances because the original author isn't around to say where they really go, like on Jay and Acacia's pages. And then there are characters without a spin-off of their own, who get an Appearances section instead of Mission Reports, and that generally mashes everything together. But always in chronological order, or as near as a best guess can make it.


 * So... that's how all that works (at this time, anyway). Does it make more sense now? (Also, to make proper dashes with HTML, type &amp;mdash; &mdash;it's a handy bit of code.) ~Neshomeh 16:01, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Flower Pages
Why exactly have you been adding the "placeholder" links to an inaccessible Google Doc on several of the Flower pages? Couldn't you just wait until you'd finished setting up the new location for the RP logs, and then post the link to the new location? It seems like it would be less hassle for you and less confusing for the readers of the wiki that would want to go check a source for something (or in my case, see the only mention of the elusive Pipe-weed).

On an unrelated note, do you have any idea when or where the Cilantro was first mentioned? The Glossary editing instructions say that the Coriander and Cilantro should preferably be added to the Glossary at the same time, probably because of the "they might be the same person" bit on their wiki pages, and though I've found a mention of a Coriander, I can't find anywhere that mentions a Cilantro.

Outhra (talk) 12:23, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair question. I wouldn't normally add just any dead links, but in this case, my thinking was that adding them while I was thinking about it will help me find the pages again later, when I won't remember everything that needs updating individually and will be leaning on the Search bar pretty heavily. In the meantime, even if the links don't work, I figure they do serve the purpose of telling people where the information came from, so that the page itself is more trustworthy, and those Flowers were in pretty desperate need.


 * Sadly, I don't know where to look for the Cilantro. The trouble with the DRD and the RDR is that they exist purely as a living joke, so it's sort of miraculous that we even have a story about one of them (thank you, hS!). ... Well, I say "trouble"... there's nothing wrong with it if you're not trying to list and organize everything. ^_^;


 * I have considered a possible "solution," but I'm not sure if this would just cause more "trouble": what if they were both listed in the format of "Coriander - see Cilantro" and vice versa? Would that be in aid of the humor, or just too confusing, even with links to their pages to get folks out of the endless loop? (Speaking of which, both of their pages could totally be expanded. How many ways can you think of to say "The [Plant] is the head of the [Department]. It might be the same individual as the [other Plant]."? *g*)


 * ~Neshomeh 15:00, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Did you know there's actually two stories featuring the Coriander? Strange but true! She may be 'involved' with the Big Thorn. No word, of course, on whether she's separate to the Cilantro. I do intend to write a RDR story which does nothing to clear things up, though... Huinesoron (talk) 17:01, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ooh, you're right, I do remember "Greetings and Hello" (which I see you've now added to the page). Excellent. I'll look forward to and eagerly anticipate the RDR story. ^_^


 * ~Neshomeh 17:14, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

I was looking around a few of the pages on the Flowers, trying to see which ones needed editing or expansion and whatnot, and I found a brief reference to a Flower called the Self-Heal on the Medical Research Division page. A Self-Heal is a real plant, so I've got a species for its page template if the Flower exists, but I don't know where it's from, PPC-wise. It wasn't mentioned in any of the stories linked from the Medical Research Division page, and I wouldn't know where best to look otherwise. Have you ever seen it or heard anything about it before? It might have just been one of those Flowers mentioned exclusively in one of the RP logs that I can't get to, but the uncertainty is bugging me.

Outhra (talk) 01:27, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I do know that one, actually. I think Elcalion created it at the same time as the Echinacea (my memory is that there was a discussion that went, "Hey, wouldn't a medical research division be cool?" "Why yes, but what Flower would lead it?" "What about an echinacea? They're medicinal; commonly used as an herbal immune system booster." "But wait, there's a plant that's actually called 'self-heal,' wouldn't that be funny?" "Well, those are both good ideas, so let's have both!") I know the Self-Heal is mentioned in the same Multiverse Monitor article the Echinacea first appears in, at least. There's not much to work with there, it's enough to put in the Glossary and give it a redirect page so it shows up in categories.


 * I think they both get a nod in the Invasion RP, too, but alas, technical difficulties. {= (


 * ~Neshomeh 01:58, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * There's nothing about it on either of the the MRD's original Multiverse Monitor articles, actually. I did find a mention of two Legal employees who aren't currently recorded in Issues Four and Nine, and I'll add them to Legal's page, but I can't find any mention of the Self-Heal in the MM issues. While the conversation on the Board means that it at least existed conceptually, I can't use that as a source for the Glossary, unfortunately.
 * Maybe once all of the RPs have been made available again, we can link if the Self-Heal ever shows up there.
 * Outhra (talk) 21:47, July 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Crud, you're right. I got it mixed up&mdash;it's actually in the Fifth Anniversary Celebration. Sorry about that.


 * ~Neshomeh 22:11, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, there it is. Just a brief allusion, but the Self-Heal is in the Fifth Anniversary write-up. Judging by context, it looks as though it appears in one of the Macrovirus Epidemic sections, too. As the person with access to the RP files, could you check to see if it's there? If it is, I might be able to make a page for it and not just a redirect, since I won't be able to make a full article out of a passing mention.
 * Outhra (talk) 23:13, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Continua/Categories
Oops, I didn't see the sub-categories for the Flower pages. I should probably look through sub-categories before adding more pages to the main groups in the future; that was a bit embarrassing. The bit about the Batman continuum was largely because the continuum has the same name as the character, and I didn't think there should be extra pages with the same name. I see you solved that by just adding the Batman missions to the main DC page, which makes sense. Now that I see how few missions are in that contiuum, I realize that I should have just gone there first.

I'll just stick to updating things for a while, so I can pick up on the protocol. Your italics-rules post helped me with some of it earlier. Now I've just got to deal with all of the typos I leave behind.

Outhra (talk) 15:58, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
Could you take down this redirect? I made it by accident during my massive spree of wiki edits yesterday, and it's not really necessary anymore, but I don't have the ability to delete pages, even the ones that aren't pages in the traditional sense.

Outhra (talk) 00:50, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. >_> Hope you don't mind me cutting in.
 * Doctorlit (talk) 15:24, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not at all! The original question looks a little silly without the link in there any more, but at the redirect's down, and that's what needed to be done.
 * Outhra (talk) 21:14, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Canon Character Pages
Since you seem to be in charge of the wiki, I am contacting you about something I've noticed, which is that certain canon characters have wiki pages while others don't. I've noticed that many LOTR and HP characters have wiki pages, but that makes sense, since those are the two most protected continua. However, what I have noticed are pages for Captain Kathryn Janeway, Julian Bashir, Miles O'Brien, the Bashir Hologram, and though not technically a character, the U.S.S. Voyager. It seems somewhat random, and quite nonsensical, that much more famous characters like Spock don't have pages, while DS9 and Voyager characters do. Can these pages be deleted and consolidated into one page called "Star Trek Characters" or something to that effect, or should more Star Trek character pages be created to even things up? (I'm leaning towards the first option, and am willing to take on the task.) Hermione of vulcan (talk) 19:24, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'd just like to add to what Hermione said that, in the event of more character pages being added, I'm happy to help, and that if the existing pages are consolidated instead, it should probably be done by series&mdash;ie, one page for Star Trek: TOS, one for Star Trek: Voyager, and so on. It also sounds like it would work rather like the "Minor Harry Potter Characters" page. (And I'm happy to help with that as well.)

Actually, something that could be helpful would be to build up pages for as many fandoms as possible, listing the main characters and giving even just brief summaries. It could be a good resource.

DawnFire (talk) 20:47, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello! I am not technically in charge of the wiki, just to be clear&mdash;I just spend lots of time here and tend to know what's what. Big changes, like if you want to change how a whole class of things is handled, should still be discussed with the Board.


 * Looking at the pages you linked, Hermione, I have to agree with you. Most of them are pretty insular, linking only to each other (and now here) for the most part, without much about what makes them relevant to the PPC. Back when we first got the wiki, people (including me) added a bunch of stuff based just on their pet interests, so that's why it seems pretty random: it is.


 * Personally, I think linking to Memory Alpha is the best choice in most cases where links to characters might be appropriate (for instance, there's a quote attributed to Janeway on the Deus ex machina page), with some pages for people most impacted by badfic/PPC missions, or otherwise particularly relevant (e.g. the Bashir Hologram works in Medical). This is PPC Wiki, after all, not All Things Canon Wiki. If you guys want to do some work in that sphere, I'm all for it. Just remember to italicize the title of the show so I don't have to come in and do it later. {= P


 * ~Neshomeh 21:05, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree about Memory Alpha, but it might still be good to have a page about Star Trek characters and their connections to the PPC/portrayals in badfic. For example, I'm convinced that all the Star Trek captains besides Kirk have some amount of OOC Resistance, which could be useful for a new person writing in Star Trek. How do I delete the existing articles? Hermione of vulcan (talk) 21:34, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I don't know if I agree about the captains having OOC resistance. Most characters with that have it because they're usually sidelined by badfic authors, like Gimli and Éowyn; Elrond has it because of Vilya and also because he is ancient and exceptionally wise. I don't think any of that applies to the captains, and I know for a fact that Picard gets thrown OOC plenty.


 * Only admins can actually delete pages, but you can put up a deletion request using the  template. That gives other people a(nother) chance to weigh in.


 * By the way, it strikes me that the Star Trek page doesn't have a "Star Trek and the PPC" section. That might be a good place to start doing some expansion/elaboration.


 * ~Neshomeh 03:40, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, at least Janeway. She's not hot enough to be a Stu's love interest, and too old to be a Sue's BFF. Her personality also has a wide range of what's in character, so it's hard to throw her out of character. Picard seems to be able to resist mind control - it's heavily implied that he helped to defeat the Borg in "The Best of Both Worlds", even though he was Locutus at the time. In a more conventional sense, Geordi LaForge might have some OOC Resistance due to the Gimli Effect - best friend of a common Lust Object not hot enough to be noticed by a Sue.


 * I'll check out the Star Trek page and see what I can do there. Maybe a subsection under each series detailing "x series and the PPC"? Hermione of vulcan (talk) 04:06, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I still think it might be a good idea to have a separate page for each series (with the possible exception of TOS and AOS&mdash;those should probably be combined, with the differences between timelines/realities noted). If we're going to put in even a brief summary of the main characters of each series, one page for all of them could get pretty unwieldy. Also, it would mean that someone looking for information on Janeway wouldn't have to wade through all of the information on TOS, TNG, etc (assuming the page was done in chronological order). DawnFire (talk) 06:39, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Splitting up the main page into articles for each show (with AOS combined with TOS) makes sense to me. The current one IS fairly large at the moment, and that would give room for a short description of each main character.


 * Re. OOC resistance, it's not so much about how they are in canon as how they are in fanfic, I think. There are lots of characters with strong wills and other defenses who are pulled OOC all the time. Snape, for instance, is an Occlumens capable of standing up to Voldemort, but that doesn't stop the Sues. Not at all. -_-;


 * ~Neshomeh 14:52, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Permission
I posted a Permission Request on the Board a while ago. You should be able to find it easily.

ThArcanist 23:48, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your "a while ago" seems to be less than an hour, if I'm converting all the time zones correctly. July already pointed this out in response to your "Target Acquired" post, but you really need to stop and read up on our rules before you do anything else. I recommend starting with the article about Permission and the moving on to the other links in the drop-down menu labeled "PPC Help and FAQs."


 * If you need help with anything, feel free to let me know. My contact information is listed on my user page here.


 * ~Neshomeh 00:43, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. I don't really know how to make this work with the format, I noticed that this was a problem earlier.

Anyway, sorry for making you clean up the mess I left on a few pages. I didn't mean to get so...enthusiastic. I will try to be more controlled in the future.

ThArcanist 01:42, May 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am forever at work on cleaning up the wiki, of my own free will, so I don't mind too much. Actually, I'm quite glad your edits brought the Bleach page to my attention, because a while back my project was to fix up all the pages about continua, and I'd missed that one because it wasn't in the right category. All's well that ends well. {= )


 * As for format and such, would you be interested in learning to use wiki markup instead of the Rich Text Editor? (I assume you're using the RTE because it's the default, but let me know if I'm wrong.) It's pretty simple once you get used to it, and I feel it gives you a lot more control over what you're doing. Plus, I've written a guide on how to edit the wiki using wiki markup, which is linked up in that drop-down menu I mentioned before. The RTE is supposed to be user-friendly and intuitive and all that, but I say Your Mileage May Vary. I personally prefer being able to see all the nuts and bolts. Let me know!


 * In any case, though, you can avoid automatically starting a new header on a Talk page just by clicking the "Edit" button next to one of the already-existing headers. Or you can just not fill in the box where it wants you to enter a header name.


 * ~Neshomeh 03:42, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

About images
Oh, sure! I made pictures for Jay and Acacia to demonstrate that I could do Agents too, in case anyone liked my images and wanted me to make one for their agents. I put it at the bottom since I just wanted them to be there, not actually replacing the awesome classic pictures up top. I just wanted them to be there, because I figured that if all the Sues they killed were getting images, it would make sense to make ones for the agents that killed them. If you don't like them, I would be fine with taking them down. There weren't any FAT models there, so I just picked the one that looked most like their picture.

And images are below their articles? Huh. Well, I'll have to fix that, didn't realize. And I didn't know about the images categories either. Thanks for telling me about both of these things! Have a nice day... Night... Whenever you're reading this!04:14, November 21, 2012 (UTC)Meow139 (talk) meow139

My little cousin plays with dollzmania all the time, and I thought that it was nice for Sue dolls. It's not the easiest site, but it gives a clearer figure image than TekTek, even if there are less options. Though I do like TekTek just because there are so many fun options.

Maybe I could make like a portfolio of 2-3 images on the blog post I wrote about the dolls.... Good idea!Meow139 (talk) 19:12, November 21, 2012 (UTC) meow139

Bad Slash page
Wow, thanks for fixing my redundancy on the Bad Slash page. You'd think I'd know to scan the article to see whether the information I was putting in might already be there. I'll blame it on the killer test I had on Friday. Because obviously, I never make mistakes unless under the influence of murderous exams. :P Chaoticidealism (talk) 18:56, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Haha, no problem. Exams certainly will fry your brain. Good luck with them! {= D


 * ~Neshomeh 23:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)Though i

Tips on Sporking
Hi. Im trying to spork an alreay sporked story as practice. How should I go about this?

KittyEden (talk) 12:22, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hm, I think I'll need more information before I can offer any advice. First, what exactly do you mean by spork? Are you talking about a story in your Sue Slayers universe, or an MST, or...?


 * Second, what story, and have you read the previous sporking of it already?


 * Third, and this is mainly just curiosity, but why did you choose this particular story, and what do you think you'll learn from this experience that you wouldn't get by reading other sporkings, or writing a new one?


 * ~Neshomeh 14:18, July 21, 2013 (UTC)