Talk:Permission

This page is duplicating a lot of information from Permission Giver. Can we see a way to merge them and keep the unique data from both? 86.152.90.113 09:15, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

Am I the only one who finds this a little ironic? Then again, I suppose it's for the best to avoid the possibility of recursion involved in dealing with PPC Badfic... RalphL 00:34, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Activity status
If we're going to denote activity, wouldn't it be much simpler and more useful to know who definitely IS active? Also, if you're going to mark it here, you have to mark it on the Permission Giver page, as well.

~Neshomeh 19:35, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I forget how I got linked here, but I've removed the (most importantly the Permission Givers) from the "getting to know the PPCers" line. I really don't think the Permission Givers should be seen as more important than the rest of the community... really, even where Permission is concerned.

24.2.224.88 14:19, February 15, 2011 (UTC)!

Fair enough, but I'm more than a little uncomfortable with an anonymous person making decisions about our community&mdash;it's a bit contradictory, don't you think? Who are you, please?

~Neshomeh 17:51, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that'll teach me to edit without logging in. 'S VM. Sorry.

24.2.224.88 23:08, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Okay then. All's well. Thanks. {= )

~Neshomeh 23:34, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Permission 3.0.3.
(Well, the J&A-Cam-Bast-Thals 'just ask' was Version 1, the random-sample was Version 2... now we're into 3. The minor changes have bumped us from 3.0.1 - 'two random samples' - through 3.0.2 - 'two short samples' - to the current 'two longish samples'.)

Anyway, Permission 3.0.3 is now live. This wiki page is, well, a wiki page - any edits can be made directly to it. Any changes people thing are necessary for the doc can be discussed here or on the Board, or in the comments if you still know where the doc is. Both Neshomeh and I have editing access, so the changes should be made in fairly good time. Huinesoron (talk) 07:12, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Restructure?
Don't worry, I'm not thinking of revamping the process yet again... but how about this article? It's recently been classified as 'confusing', and I sort of see the point.

So I'm thinking, how about something like this: Lede

Why Permission?
Basically the current first section, possibly expanded with 'what PGs actually look for'.

Before your Permission Request
The stuff about introducing yourself, interacting on the Board, coming up with agents and getting comments on them. This might entail asking the Board whether we want people repeatedly posting agent profiles for comment or not.

Your Permission Request
The list, broken up into a series of sub-headings - bios (with the examples), writing samples (with full description and the link), badfic link (with advice on how to choose a good one).

After your Permission Request
Some notes about beta-readers, and editing after posting (which is a good thing to do if people point out problems).

The History of Permission
We don't have one of these yet, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

FAQs (shortened)
A lot of data in the FAQs can be inserted in much more concise form into the main text. This should be done.

This would make it really easy to figure out what's going on. At the moment, the 'your writing samples' in the 'what to include' section is a page away from actually telling you what those samples are; the bio examples are even worse.

So what does anyone think? Huinesoron (talk) 12:20, August 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced the article is actually confusing as-is, since we've had all of one person (who is self-admittedly confused a lot) say so, but this seems like a good idea regardless. I like the "before, during, and after" breakdown. Though, are you proposing to throw out the "Things to Avoid" and "Recommended Reading" sections, since you haven't included them here? I don't want to do that, and I think "What if I get rejected?" could be bundled into "Things to Avoid" as per your suggestion to incorporate info from the FAQ into the main article.


 * Rather than putting example writing samples and bios in the "Your Request" part, which could make it pretty unwieldy, maybe there could be a complete example Permission request or two included at the bottom of the article, or on a sub-page? It would still be some scrolling or a click away, but it would make the section itself smaller and therefore easier to read and less intimidating.


 * We should definitely put the link to the 36 prompts document in the "What to Include in a Permission Request" section, at least.


 * For whatever it's worth, I am getting very tired of people obsessively seeking feedback about their half-formed agent and story ideas. I mean, I don't want to tell anyone not to ask for feedback about ideas in the process of development, it's good to have a sounding board, but maybe it would be better manners to keep it to a small group of friends, off-Board, and not implicitly demand that we all pay attention to you on a frequent basis?


 * ~Neshomeh 19:41, August 10, 2014 (UTC)