User talk:Outhra

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--- Sunflower Official (Talk) 19:15, March 12, 2013

Editing stuff.
Hi there. I notice that you're enthusiastic about editing, which is good, but I think you might be getting a little carried away when it comes to categories. Most recently, you've added some Flower pages to the Mirror Multiverse category, which is not necessary because they're already listed in the Mirror Multiverse People sub-category. Plus, if you take a look at the Mirror Multiverse category, you'll notice that no other characters are listed there, for the same reason: they're already in appropriate sub-categories.

For another example, the Batman page is about the character, not the continuum, which is why it's in the Canon Characters category and doesn't have missions on it. It doesn't belong in the Continua category. (I already fixed this.)

You should really take some time to look at the categories to see what kinds of things belong in them before adding stuff. Lots of them have descriptions that will tell you just that, but you can always ask, too. I have a whole section of my Talk page devoted to wiki-editing questions, so feel free to drop by. {= )

Neshomeh 05:24, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey hey, I'd like to start the basics of a page for the Agent, but right now it's just a redirect to the Glossary. Help? Lily Winterwood (talk) 05:01, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Find a reference to the character on another page. Click on the link. After it redirects, it'll say underneath the title "Redirected from [agent name]" [agent name] is a link. Click on it, and it'll take you to that agent's page. Just edit the page and replace the redirect with what you want. It's not as hard as I'm probably making it sound. I just figured out how to do it myself.


 * Hermione of vulcan (talk) 03:21, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, she figured out how to do it on her own a few hours after she sent me that message, and had completed the Agent's page before I next logged on to Wikia. Right now, it's got more detail than at least a third of the other pages on the wiki.
 * Outhra (talk) 12:29, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oops, I didn't notice. ~ Hermione of vulcan (talk) 17:52, June 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi guys, could I have permission to create a series of wikipges about FanGirls and FanSpeak?
 * KittyEden (talk) 08:10, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * You'll notice, if you look around a bit more, that we already have pages on fangirls and such, as well as one on chatspeak. I'm guessing these are the equivalent to the pages you want.
 * AelinTheAmazing (talk) 17:22, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean the different types of fangirls. I'll have a look and see if they're the same as mine... get back to you later,,,
 * KittyEden (talk) 01:43, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Sorry to bother you, but would it be okay for me to e-mail you at some point? I think there was some stuff I meant to ask you. Hope all's well! Ekyl (talk) 01:56, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Two Foxglove Flowers?
Maybe I missed something, but I can't see hS creating a redundant Flower when there's already a perfectly serviceable one available, particularly not given this exchange we had where I'm pretty sure we were both talking about the same individual. Would you please do me a favor and double-check with him before you take this any further?

On a related note, have you seen my comments on the Corkscrew Cattail's talk page? I'm pretty sure you don't have all the information there. Please be more careful about checking your facts. Even in a case like this, where material is (currently) missing, looking at the wiki page history to see who made the page can sometimes provide a useful clue about who invented the character, and you can always ask for more information from someone who appears to be involved&mdash;in this case, Tawaki (who used to edit under the name Korora) would be a good start.

(FYI, I'm going on vacation for a week tomorrow, so I may not be able to respond to any replies quickly, if at all. Just please check more things with more people.)

Neshomeh 05:42, June 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, it was a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure I tried to come up with Flowers we didn't have, but ended up accidentally choosing one I'd never heard of. Then when we had the conversation Nesh linked, I thought that they could possibly be the same character. Huinesoron (talk) 17:39, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Rococo Kolosov - Dude, no.
You do not get to reassign other people's characters to different departments/divisions. If Joe says Rococo is in ESAS, then he's in ESAS. That's up to Joe, not you or anyone else.

I want you to be able to work on the wiki and contribute positively, because it's awesome that you're enthusiastic about it, but you desperately need to learn better boundaries. When it comes to stuff you did not personally create, fixing a typo or link, or adding some missing information, that's one thing, but changing information to suit yourself is another, especially when it comes to people's characters. Please go re-read this before you do anything else.

And seriously, although I'm cheesed off right now, I would love to actually work with you and not just yell at you when you make mistakes. I think you're a smart guy and you mean well, but you just haven't been around long enough to have a good sense of how things work here. I've been a PPCer for ten years and an active wiki-editor almost since its creation; I have a wealth of knowledge about who's who and what's what in PPC history; and I know pretty well what's okay/needed here and what isn't. I would be a great resource for you. Please, please ask me. I have a Talk page and an e-mail address, and I'm pretty good about responding to both.

~Neshomeh 16:01, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry about what happened with the Rococo article. When I make edits to pages on the wiki, I try to work with the information to make it as internally accurate as possible. The way the Rococo page was organized, it had the ESAS as part of Floaters, while it's really in the DMS, and the story he was featured in says that he was a member of a special unit within Floaters, but it never gets any more specific. Since the original story is the prime source of facts in any case about any character, I worked with what was available to try and make the article work with everything else.

I admit that I should have consulted the original creator first to try and get his approval for the change to the article. I admit that I have committed infractions against the way the wiki would optimally be organized. I admit that I see how acting as I did could be very easily seen, as you saw it, as though I was trying to change the information out of some sort of malevolence or disrespect. I wasn't. I was trying for consistency, since assigning someone to a division but putting that division in the wrong department makes that instance inconsistent with all of the other instances of that division. And again, I'm sorry for causing problems with the changes I made, both in this case and in the past.

If you want me to prove myself by working with you on something, I'm open to doing so. I don't want you and the other admins of the PPC community to see me as someone who's trying to take advantage of anything or trying to be disrespectful of the previous writers in the community, as it appears you have. I'm trying to contribute as best I can, and to prove that, I would be willing to help out in whatever you'd think I'd need to do. What do you have in mind?

Outhra (talk) 02:08, July 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being willing to talk about this and work on it. I do appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, and I understand that you don't mean to be disrespectful. Like I said, I just think you don't know the ropes well enough yet, and you run into problems when you think you do and get overly ambitious. Ambition is good, but it needs to be tempered with caution to avoid stepping on toes.


 * Based on what you've said here, I think your missing link is that in the PPC, Word of God counts for as much as what's in the stories, and in many cases, God edits the wiki. In those cases, the wiki can also act as a primary source, so you can't automatically discount what you find here, even if it's not backed up by a mission or interlude or whatever. It can be tricky to determine who is God of what, but individual PPCers are always God of their own characters, and they're at least demi-gods of any new department or other concept they introduced.


 * Take ESAS, which was created by Elcalion (who now edits as El calion due to a lost password). It is absolutely, definitely part of the Department of Floaters, because Elcalion says it is. I can cite you the ESAS homepage (states it's part of the DMS and Floaters), the ESAS wiki page (Elcalion put it in Floaters when he wrote it), all its original agents (Elcalion put them in Floaters when he wrote their pages), the List of Departments and the Complete List of PPC Fiction (these are both pretty reliable as reference documents, and Elcalion has edited them in the past), and even the ESAS flash patch (made up by Elcalion) is modeled on the Floaters patch. Given all that, I don't know how it could possibly not be part of Floaters, and I was actually surprised to learn it had any connection to the DMS.


 * So, that's where really doing your homework on the wiki comes in handy. Page histories in particular are great for figuring out what's Word of God and what isn't.


 * What I would like is not so much to tell you what pages to work on, but to be consulted before you edit if you run into things that don't make sense to you, or if you have an idea for a structural change that you think might make the wiki better organized, or anything else that might be considered a significant change to a specific person's stuff or general community stuff. Beyond having had plenty of time to absorb the PPC's idiosyncrasies being a good source of information about why things are the way they are, the structure/organization of the wiki is something I care about and have put a lot of work into, so I want to be involved out of personal interest.


 * That said, did you ever take those Flower pages out of the Mirror Multiverse category, or correct the Corkscrew Cattail page? Fixing your past mistakes would be an excellent goodwill gesture to start with, IMO. {= )


 * I hope this hasn't been too lecture-y. I'm not upset now, but there's a lot of information I want to get across, and I've tried to keep this post as brief (haha) and to the point as possible, so it may have come out more terse than I sound in my own head.


 * ~Neshomeh 17:56, July 16, 2013 (UTC)