Category talk:Slain Mary Sues

Is this for all Mary Sues, or just the particularly obnoxious ones?Miah 79 21:48, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * If they're dead, they belong here. ~Neshomeh 02:30, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * For future reference, my above statement is no longer the case. The Boarders voted (see the results summed up here), and only the most unique or impactful Sues need be cataloged in the future. ~Neshomeh 23:36, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sue Evaluation Coordination
Since I think this is where everyone said they want to coordinate from, I'm starting this here. Dividing these Sues up evenly, the four of us would each get 37 Sues to evaluate. As Neshomeh mentioned in the Poll thread, that might involve involve reading the mission the Sue came from, especially if they seem unique, but the article is incomplete. I'd also like to note if a page lacks links, it automatically needs improvment, something I also did not meniton in the thread on the board. Guvnor Of Space 20:49, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Division of Sues:

Antigone68104: Aeyrn --> Christina Duke

Eileen alphabet: Cordelia Driscol --> Kanami Kimura

Guvnor of Space: Katherine May Gibbs -->Peony

Lunar Huntress: Pheonix --> Zane


 * Roger that! - EileenAlphabet 22:20, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll get started - Antigone68104 00:28, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Think I can help? I'm set to help too. I'm also willing to get rid of some of my own pages. Jack the Wolf and Dragona might not be too essential.Aster Corbett 23:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

To quote the original poll thread " I suggest that members of this group should not have made Sue pages themselves so as to eliminate personal bias, and also that they should be willing to read the missions in question to make the best evaluation and/or improvement(s)." I like this, but if others disagree, that's fine. However, I don't see anything wrong with you removing pages you made. --Guvnor Of Space 23:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Guidelines?
Will the folks reviewing the Sue/Stu pages be recommending guidelines for adding future Sue/Stu pages? I'd hate to see it end up that new ones are never added for fear of not meeting a vague 'significant' enough threshold. For instance before this was started, I was planning on talking to Caddy about adding one for Heather based on her significance to the character of Agent Cadmar, and clear guidelines are comforting to me. Miah 79 00:38, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Guidline Proposal: Uniqueness: If a Sue Stu is particularly unusual, or had a particularly special effect on canon, than they are "unique." For example, a Sue that, say, turns all generic surface into glitter is unique.

Notability: If a Sue or Stu is particularly famous, or from the Original Series, than they are "notable." For example, Laura, of "Legolas by Laura," is a particularly notable Sue.

These are the guidlines I propose. Or rather, this is how I interpret the poll results, and therefore the original directive. The idea, I think, is to cut down on standard Sues. In my opinion, Sues whose significance is mainly to an agent do not nessesarily need their own page. Of course, that's my opinion. "Notability" could be interpreted to mean Sues that are of particular importance to particular agents. I think others need to weigh in on this. Guvnor Of Space 00:47, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm ... if an active agent is recruited from a Suefic, I'm leaning toward letting that count toward notability. Trouble is, you'd need to wait a few missions to tell if a recruit is going to work out as an agent before putting the Sue page up.

I'm also leaning toward keeping Sue pages that are excellent examples of how a Sue would work in a specific continuum. For instance, Alanna (Sue) is textbook Pern Sue; we don't (seem to) get a lot of Pern missions, but her page could be useful to someone sending agents into Pern.

I'm willing to be overruled on either of these, though. Antigone68104 16:32, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Opinion on your points: I don't know about either of these. Personally, I'm for removing those pages, on the following basis: For the agents one, I'm of the opinion that an agent page should be the go to source for information on specific agents, even ones recruited from badfic. This also eliminates the problem of knowing whether or not the recruited character 'works out' as an agent.' This ties in to my previously stated belief that Sues who are notable only because of significance to an agent should not have pages. I'm leary of allowing pages for Sues that are significant for agents because that begs the question of what exactly that means. Are they significant because an agent really hated them, or because they injured, or nearly injured an agent, or because, for whatever reason, that Sue did something that impacted the agents personailty? Significance to the overall canon (Original Series Sues), famousness (John Freeman and Laura) or just bizarre deviations (A Sue that replaces generic surface with glitter) are easier to see. I'm still curious as to what others think of this- this is my personal opinion, and there are four of us working on these pages. I'd like your opinions. As for 'textbook examples,' I'm of the opinion that the wiki pages on various canons should cover these- the Stargate page is a good example. The Pern page is not. I think that Sue trends should be added to that page, since a 'textbook sue' from any continuum is one of the things I thought we were seeking to eliminate here. Guvnor Of Space 17:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

 I agree with Guvnor on this one. As I am going through the pages, I am looking for Sues that are not 'textbook', but who act above and beyond standard Sue behavior. (Excactly what constututes above and beyond, I am still making my mind up about; so far I'm compiling a list to get an overview. Sorry about being vague.) But the Sues I am so far leaning towards keeping, are the ones who make me think 'Whoa, we don't see that everyday and thank the Maker for that.'